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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:15 pm 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Also, hasn't Hanrahan put at least one guy on in most of his last dozen saves?

So what? That's no worse than Karstens: he usually puts at least one guy on in most of his innings. Do you no longer trust Hanrahan to pitch scoreless innings? Is allowing one base runner an inning such a sin?

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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:21 pm 
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Willton wrote:
Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Also, hasn't Hanrahan put at least one guy on in most of his last dozen saves?

So what? That's no worse than Karstens: he usually puts at least one guy on in most of his innings. Do you no longer trust Hanrahan to pitch scoreless innings? Is allowing one base runner an inning such a sin?


Karstens had 4 baserunners all night. Go with the known, instead of bringing in an unknown, when there is nothing wrong with the known.


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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:52 pm 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Willton wrote:
Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Also, hasn't Hanrahan put at least one guy on in most of his last dozen saves?

So what? That's no worse than Karstens: he usually puts at least one guy on in most of his innings. Do you no longer trust Hanrahan to pitch scoreless innings? Is allowing one base runner an inning such a sin?


Karstens had 4 baserunners all night. Go with the known, instead of bringing in an unknown, when there is nothing wrong with the known.

Again, when did Hanrahan become an unknown? What is so unknown about Hanrahan?

Do you want to know what is known? Karstens' lack of durability. It makes no sense to push him past his customary pitch count any more than necessary after coming back from an injury.

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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:56 pm 
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Again Wilton, as I stated earlier, anyone that has watched the games Hanrahan has entered the past last half dozen or more times has to have questioned which hammer was there that night. He has been wild and his velocity way down. At the least, if it was a must to save Karstens the chore of throwing maybe 10 pitches over his set limit, there were other options. Me, I let the starter finish after he was cruising.

Once again we will have to agree to disagree. I fully respect your opinion on this matter & others you comment on.

Regardless, something seems wrong with the hammer. Reminds me of Capps fizzling out.


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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:13 pm 
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I agree with Wilton here... damnit!

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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:27 pm 
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I find it ridiculous that a starting pitcher would be considered overworked if he threw more than 10 pitches an inning. Maybe we should go to a 7 man rotation & 3 closers.


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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:00 pm 
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He has a very consistent point in time in his pitch count where he becomes ineffective... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:31 pm 
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
He has a very consistent point in time in his pitch count where he becomes ineffective... 8-) 8-)


Yes. That last pitch in his 6 pitch 8th really showed he was laboring.

EDIT: I don't know Wilbert, I'm probably wrong. These dudes have algorithms figuring everything out these days. Times have changed & I think I'm behind them.


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 Post subject: Re: 07-05-12 Pirates (45-36) vs Astros (32-50)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:39 pm 
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To get 8 out of Karstens and let him leave on a positive note with a top notch closer waiting in the wings......I take that. 8-) 8-) 8-)


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