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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:44 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
Umm....

Its called "Scheme".

They only ask their corners to do certain things in the defense because the key IS the pass rush at the LB spot. That is where the defense is focused.

They draft corners for their SCHEME. They don't draft cover guys who won't hit a thing or support run. They draft big guys who can keep plays in front and keep one shut down corner on the team (Ike, and if you don't acknowledge Ike as a shutdown, I'll know where you stand on knowledge), and the others to keep in front and support.

Quick release guys like Brady will hurt that defense.


I would say they need to modify their scheme to allow them to beat teams like the Patriots, you know the team that annually kicks their tail? What good is it to have a scheme that put them at a disadvantage against the better QBs in the league?

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And, to say they got to 3 SB in 6 years "despite" the secondary is... just ridiculous.

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No it's not. Winning does not make everything fine and dandy. They have won, win, and will win because of the pass rush, not the secondary. When they will need to rely on the secondary, they have lost, lose, and will lose. The only way to fix that is to bring in guys that can actually cover. There are players out there that can cover well and bring up support against the run, the Steelers only have one when they need 2 or 3.


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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:34 am 
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RTJR wrote:

The only way to fix that is to bring in guys that can actually cover. There are players out there that can cover well and bring up support against the run, the Steelers only have one when they need 2 or 3.


There are about 10 guys who fit your description in the whole NFL. They don't have cap room to pay Nnamdi $10 million a year. If they commit to pay a top corner that means losing a top LB, you can't have everything. The fact that they have 1 guy is better than most NFL teams.

This is like complaining about Megan Fox because she doesn't have a big enough chest.

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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:33 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
This is like complaining about Megan Fox because she doesn't have a big enough chest.


Actually, her toe-thumbs are more offputting. And the Skankyness.

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I think RTJR's point is fair.

The Steelers escaped defeat vs. Warner's Cards thanks to a magnificent play by Harrison and a clutch last offensive drive. The secondary nearly blew that game just like they blow every game vs. the Pats, blew a slew of games in 09 and helped blow the SB last year.

Granted, yes, the Steelers usually only have trouble vs. the best QB's/pass offenses in the league (as do most other teams), but it doesn't mean it's not a problem or that the 'scheme' couldn't be tweaked to attempt to rectify the obvious problem.

Not trying to knock the obvious genius which is Dick LeBeau, but it's the definition of insane to do the same things over and over and expect different results.

The Steelers secondary has trouble vs. elite teams. Perhaps LeBeau should take a page out of the book of Belichick and (no, not spygate, but...) change schemes if/when neccessary.

Arians is more guilty of sticking to failed schemes/plans than Dick, but it is still worth noting obvious shortcomings.

If we all can figure out the Steelers massive weakness, imagine what the likes of Belichick, McCarthy, Payton and others can do.

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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:39 pm 
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They wouldn't need to pay $10 million if they would do better in the draft at CB. They have a terrible record when it comes to drafting CBs. I doubt there are very many teams who do worse.


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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:57 pm 
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RTJR wrote:
They wouldn't need to pay $10 million if they would do better in the draft at CB.


Honestly, if they hadn't traded up to land Polamalu (still amazes me that 10+ teams passed on him!), the D wouldn't have been good enough to make ONE SB (forget three!) and the team would still be stuck in the 'bridesmaid' Cowher era of 'close, but no cigar'.

While the CB's are lacking, so long as Troy and Clark are healthy the Secondary is capable... they just need to figure out a new scheme vs. elite passing teams.

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[The Steelers] have a terrible record when it comes to drafting CBs. I doubt there are very many teams who do worse.


Detroit and Houston spring to mind.

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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:38 pm 
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You know, football is a team game. Yeah, we may be weak at a couple positions, but we are also great at a couple positions. Such is life in the NFL!

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 Post subject: Re: The Secondary
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:21 pm 
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Steelers inked Polamalu through 2014 today.

One less worry for the future.

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Perception - Jets are much better against the pass than we are

Reality - we are just as good with a healthy Troy

2010 games with 2 or more passing TD's allowed - Steelers 3 Jets 7

2010 games with 300yards passing allowed - Steelers 2 Jets 2

2010 games with 100 yards by a WR - Steelers 4 Jets 4

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