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 Post subject: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:16 pm 
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Q: Dejan, excellent piece on McLlouth, who did his part to validate your story with his two home-run performance the same day. This type of feature story does so much to give insight to the person, not just the player.

My question is regarding the process of evaluation: Is the method now being employed by the Pirates widely used? Is there a standard, or does it vary greatly?

It seems overwhelmingly clear that there is either a difference in how the players are evaluated or in the new management's ability to use those evaluations. This is evident in the handling of not only McLouth and Doumit this year, but Xavier Nady last year and Freddy Sanchez the year before that.

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KOVACEVIC: There is no question some better decisions have been made this year, Brad, but, at the risk of going all wet blanket here, I offer two cautions:

1. No one mentions the inability to recognize that Luis Rivas could not play shortstop defensively, a decision that was reached based on little more than spring observation. For that matter, no one mentions that Chris Gomez was signed to a $1 million contract to be a primary backup infielder, and it was not until the spring that it was determined he lacked the range to play short. These, as it turned out because of Wilson's injury, have been costly errors -- quite literally -- in terms of wins and losses so far.

2. The greatest barometer for new management's ability to judge talent will be, in this particular year, how it assesses other professional and amateur talent, which, for the record, is where their overwhelming focus is this year for obvious reasons.

There are encouraging signs, though.


We should all be so proud, a very intelligent question soliciting a well thought out response. 3 cheers for BradF!!!


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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:26 pm 
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Congrats Brad!!!

Its alot more enjoyable reading that than any rant Smizik or any other BHish writer puts in print...

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:03 pm 
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Also DK makes a good point about the Pirates making a mistake in failing to secure and adequate backup shortstop. Now would be a good time to go out and get one of those.


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:49 pm 
Totally Ralphie. They needed to go out and get a shortstop first week of April. Tisk on the Pirates for rolling over and accepting unacceptable play from the shortstop position.

That said, Gomez is the "best" of the three non-Jack options. No way Bixler or Rivas should get another start unless Gomez is hurt.


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I'm actually surprised they didn't try Bautista at short and platoon Gomez and Dougie at 3rd.

And face it, if this were last year, we'd be dealing with Kata, Kernandez, Edwards, and Kelley. So really, Gomez and Bixler aren't too bad. Wish I could say the same for Rivas.


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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:23 pm 
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I'm actually surprised they didn't try Bautista at short and platoon Gomez and Dougie at 3rd.

And face it, if this were last year, we'd be dealing with Kata, Kernandez, Edwards, and Kelley. So really, Gomez and Bixler aren't too bad. Wish I could say the same for Rivas.


If Wilson got hurt for an extended period of time last year and the Pirates didn't go out and get an adequate shortstop I would have criticized them then too.

Just because last year's GM sucked doesn't mean NH is free from criticism. He's done some good things but I think he's made some mistakes too.


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:32 pm 
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There is this to consider as well. At first and really all along, we have been told that Jack was always about to return to playing shape. If true there was no need to panic and rush out for a replacement.
They might of screwed up in winter moves for ss and could be criticized but Jack was always only a few days away from returning.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:42 pm 
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Elmer wrote:

If Wilson got hurt for an extended period of time last year and the Pirates didn't go out and get an adequate shortstop I would have criticized them then too.



The difference is that last year they wouldn't have ever actually put Jack on the DL, they would have insisted that he wasn't hurt and have him pinch hit for 2 months.

My point was that there aren't "adequate" replacements freely floating throughout the league. Unless you are willing to trade something away and create a hole elsewhere just for an injury replacement, you are going to have to go with replacement-level players. NH had a few and figured that among the 3, one would turn out to be sufficient. He was wrong. So in hindsight, it was a bad move. But I don't recall anyone posting (Elmer/MM included) when Jack went down that we had to go out and get a shortstop. And as stated above, no one would have been expected to know that a calf strain would shelve him for over a month.


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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:48 pm 
BBF wrote:
Elmer wrote:

If Wilson got hurt for an extended period of time last year and the Pirates didn't go out and get an adequate shortstop I would have criticized them then too.



The difference is that last year they wouldn't have ever actually put Jack on the DL, they would have insisted that he wasn't hurt and have him pinch hit for 2 months.

My point was that there aren't "adequate" replacements freely floating throughout the league. Unless you are willing to trade something away and create a hole elsewhere just for an injury replacement, you are going to have to go with replacement-level players. NH had a few and figured that among the 3, one would turn out to be sufficient. He was wrong. So in hindsight, it was a bad move. But I don't recall anyone posting (Elmer/MM included) when Jack went down that we had to go out and get a shortstop. And as stated above, no one would have been expected to know that a calf strain would shelve him for over a month.


True but when it became obvious that he would be out longer and it became obvious Bixler was a joke, they should have done something. I don't agree with rolling over and saying "there's no one out there" and just let crap continue to field grounders at short. Try something else. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle but at lest you try.


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Knowing the situation the Pirates are in now, teams would want a little more for a SS, costing more than normal value and there isnt much to offer to get another backup infielder?

Would you trade Rivas? No one would want him...

If Freddy's shoulder wasnt crap right now, the SS problem is solved...

now as for Bixler, we're kinda saddled with him for now because anyone else you bring up will need to be added to the 40 man, and have no options left

I think Bixler is just the new whipping boy because of his poor decision on not breaking home on Bautista's bunt when he 1st came up...I think people would be less harsh on him if he wasnt on 3rd that day...

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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:06 pm 
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Hey, guys...thanks for noticing. I just wanted to prove that I could write a semi-inteligent question without being a smart-a$$. I have written to DK a couple of times before. Some of you newer posters may not know that he was on one of the old boards, but quit for obvious reasons after he started covering the Pirates.

Also, my point was not so much that the new management was infallible, but rather that the method of evaluation seemed much more tangible and quantifiable and that PERHAPS they would do a better job of evaluating the more detailed anaysis. It seems logical that if the evaluation is more comprehensive, then the people who developed it will be better able to use it.


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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:19 pm 
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Elmer.....
You suggest that the Pirates should do something about the SS situation after BBF pointed out what the options are. I doubt that Frank is saying "Gee, Neil....what should we do, huh?" and Neil replies "Gosh, Frank, I dunno.....let's do SOMETHING!!" Then in chorus they both shout "Brilliant....we'll do SOMETHING!!"

(ok....I'M BACK TO BEING A SMART-A$$ AGAIN)


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:22 pm 
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bradf wrote:
Elmer.....
You suggest that the Pirates should do something about the SS situation after BBF pointed out what the options are. I doubt that Frank is saying "Gee, Neil....what should we do, huh?" and Neil replies "Gosh, Frank, I dunno.....let's do SOMETHING!!" Then in chorus they both shout "Brilliant....we'll do SOMETHING!!"

(ok....I'M BACK TO BEING A SMART-A$$ AGAIN)


I guess we could get Barry Larkin

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nad69dan wrote:
I guess we could get Barry Larkin


Johnnie LeMaster is only 54 years old. He's so over due it's scary!


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Elmer wrote:
True but when it became obvious that he would be out longer and it became obvious Bixler was a joke, they should have done something. I don't agree with rolling over and saying "there's no one out there" and just let crap continue to field grounders at short. Try something else. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle but at lest you try.

Okay Elmer, who should the Pirates get to play short, and what should they give up to get him?

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bradf wrote:
Elmer.....
You suggest that the Pirates should do something about the SS situation after BBF pointed out what the options are. I doubt that Frank is saying "Gee, Neil....what should we do, huh?" and Neil replies "Gosh, Frank, I dunno.....let's do SOMETHING!!" Then in chorus they both shout "Brilliant....we'll do SOMETHING!!"

(ok....I'M BACK TO BEING A SMART-A$$ AGAIN)

Thank God. :D

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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
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Hey, can Mike Benjamin play SS?


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sisyphus wrote:
Elmer wrote:
True but when it became obvious that he would be out longer and it became obvious Bixler was a joke, they should have done something. I don't agree with rolling over and saying "there's no one out there" and just let crap continue to field grounders at short. Try something else. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle but at lest you try.

Okay Elmer, who should the Pirates get to play short, and what should they give up to get him?


C'mon, sisy. You know he won't answer that...it's much easier to criticize than it is to suggest solutions. Elmer had this same argument about getting someone to play 3rd base this offseason and refused to name names of who might be available or who he might give up.


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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
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BBF wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Elmer wrote:
True but when it became obvious that he would be out longer and it became obvious Bixler was a joke, they should have done something. I don't agree with rolling over and saying "there's no one out there" and just let crap continue to field grounders at short. Try something else. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle but at lest you try.

Okay Elmer, who should the Pirates get to play short, and what should they give up to get him?


C'mon, sisy. You know he won't answer that...it's much easier to criticize than it is to suggest solutions. Elmer had this same argument about getting someone to play 3rd base this offseason and refused to name names of who might be available or who he might give up.

I know he won't answer. I just like making him say "humunahumunahumuna".

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 Post subject: Re: One of our own chimes in on PG Q&A
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Mike Benjamin can't play a jukebox. Did I mention that he is a real jerk too?


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