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 Post subject: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:51 pm 
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Just curious if any of you stats folk can let us know the difference between the pre-trade runs per game average and post-trade average for the Bucs. Surely, it must be a very significant difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:04 am 
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Don't know the exact numbers off-hand, but they went from sixth in the majors in total runs scored to 14th or 15th now. Meaning that since the trade, they are probably dead last in the majors in runs scored.


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:40 am 
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I know Nady was traded a week before the deadline, but I just went with August vs the rest of the season for simplicities sake.

August: 63 runs in 21 games = 3 runs per game
Mar - Jul: 533 runs in 108 games = 5 runs per game

That is significant but I went back and checked the game logs for August. Of the games we lost, only one would have resulted in a win if we add the two run difference to our score. Three would have resulted in ties. Yes I know that's overly simplistic given the multitudes of game dynamics that would have to be factored in when when dealing with two extra runs, but it's something to think about.

Would Bay and Nady have made much of a difference against the Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Cards, Brewers and DBacks?

Probably not.


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:51 am 
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Well, in retrospect, my guess is that NH knew that this was going to happen until the young guys got their act together. I just hope that eventually happens, and I'm certain that NH feels the same! Thus far, Andy LeRouche has been the biggest disappointment, but he's only been here for a few weeks, so maybe he'll get it going in September. There has been some talk that his thumb still bothers him, and that may be part of the reason for his lack of performance. Brandon Moss has displayed some power that is intriguing....it probably isn't fair to make any judgment on these trades until the players continue to develop and have a full season here. Go Bucs!


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:18 am 
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Don't forget that we were without Laroche and Sanchez for much of that time too. Its really overly simplistic to say that we would have scored enough runs to win more games without trading Nady and Bay. Also, for any wins we would have gained, we would have had JVB in Karstens' spot, giving those wins right back.


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:55 am 
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We all know the long-term plan and it's not about this year, but with that said....you have to admit, it is pretty depressing to go from a somewhat half-decent offense, to just plain awful, and the light at the end of the tunnel is pretty distant and dim.


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I guess the hope is that a few of the young pitchers will step it up next season, and the young position players (Moss, LaRouche, McLouth, Doumit) will also develop into "decent" hitters. But, I agree that it is depressing to look at the current averages of the starting line-up right now. Other teams must be licking their chops when the playing the Pirates!


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
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Good evaluation period.

What is the team's OBP post-trade, compared to Pre-trade?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:12 pm 
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Pirates4real wrote:
We all know the long-term plan and it's not about this year, but with that said....you have to admit, it is pretty depressing to go from a somewhat half-decent offense, to just plain awful, and the light at the end of the tunnel is pretty distant and dim.


I think there's enough talent offensively in the system that they can turn it around. I'm still more concerned about the pitching. The Rangers have shown that you can have one of the most prolific offenses ever assembled and still not even be close to contending if you don't have solid pitching. The pre-trade Pirates were headed down that path, and that's a bad place to get stuck in.


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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
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ZelieMike wrote:
Good evaluation period.

What is the team's OBP post-trade, compared to Pre-trade?

ZM

Here's how the team has done per month:
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Month         AVG   OBP   SLG
April/March   .246  .316  .375 
May           .272  .339  .445 
June          .257  .313  .398 
July          .282  .340  .462 
August        .245  .302  .354 


As seen above, the Bucs' offense has waned since the trades. I can't say I'm surprised; we traded away our best hitters.

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 Post subject: Re: Average number of runs scored per game....pre and post trade
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:51 pm 
Willton wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
Good evaluation period.

What is the team's OBP post-trade, compared to Pre-trade?

ZM

Here's how the team has done per month:
Code:
Month         AVG   OBP   SLG
April/March   .246  .316  .375 
May           .272  .339  .445 
June          .257  .313  .398 
July          .282  .340  .462 
August        .245  .302  .354 


As seen above, the Bucs' offense has waned since the trades. I can't say I'm surprised; we traded away our best hitters.


It's depressing, but it will be worth it if the guys we got back end up being better than Bay and Nady. If not, then these will go down as bad trades for sure.


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