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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:53 pm 
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You know what I hate about these articles, though. I hate that they always rank the Minnesota Twins as one of the worst franchises. Yeah, their owner is a royal cheapskate, and they never keep anyone once they reach free agency age, but at least they win consistently. I only wish the Pirates could suck like that. Certainly there could have been another choice for their spot (The Buffalo Bills maybe? possibly the Chicago Blackhawks?)


The Bills as one of the top 10 worst sports franchises? Not even close.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:29 pm 
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Morris explained again

The question has risen anew in the aftermath of the Pirates' release of Matt Morris: How could owner Bob Nutting approve Dave Littlefield's acquisition?

A rehash ...

Littlefield approached his San Francisco counterpart, general manager Brian Sabean, on the morning of the 3 p.m. trade deadline July 31 of last year, and offered to take Morris' full contract. The Giants asked for little in return and agreed to take outfielder Rajai Davis.

From there, Littlefield and a few of his baseball people rushed to Nutting for approval, given that the Pirates would have to assume $14 million. The rationale presented was twofold:

1. Nutting had given a green light earlier in the year for Littlefield to offer free-agent starter Jeff Suppan a two-year contract at his going rate, which, like Morris, was $10 million annually. The Milwaukee Brewers ended up giving Suppan that salary over four years. So, the argument to Nutting went, here is a pitcher better than Suppan -- few could dispute that, even though Morris had begun to decline with the Giants -- and for much less guaranteed money.

2. The Pirates would not be parting with significant prospects.

On the day Nutting fired Littlefield, he was asked repeatedly about approving the Morris deal and, choosing not to bury Littlefield in public, limited his answers to this: "I have to trust my baseball people. That was the move Dave wanted to make."

According to some close to Nutting, his feeling was that, if he could not trust Littlefield, he should fire him immediately. At that point, he was not prepared to do so.

It was only later, after conferring with other top baseball executives, which Nutting concedes he did too late, that he realized the folly of the trade.

That also was a prime motivation for Nutting to hire as team president Frank Coonelly, someone steeped in knowledge of the business of Major League Baseball, to make such authorizations in the future.


Here is an explaination of why Nutting approved the trade. Seems like Nutting isn't quite the evil penny pincher.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:41 pm 
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Where did you find that, PF13?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:59 am 
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From the Post-Gazette I think. I basically stumbled upon it. I think its somewhere in the finance section. When I get back to work on Monday, I will look it up and get a link to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:16 pm 
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Welfare_Fraud wrote:
You know what I hate about these articles, though. I hate that they always rank the Minnesota Twins as one of the worst franchises. Yeah, their owner is a royal cheapskate, and they never keep anyone once they reach free agency age, but at least they win consistently. I only wish the Pirates could suck like that. Certainly there could have been another choice for their spot (The Buffalo Bills maybe? possibly the Chicago Blackhawks?)


The Bills as one of the top 10 worst sports franchises? Not even close.



Lately? I think they are. They haven't made the playoffs in 8 years, in a league where over 1/3 of the teams make it every year. Their free agent moves make no sense, and I feel they are gearing up to move, either to Toronto or Los Angeles.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:23 pm 
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Welfare_Fraud wrote:
MrSmiff wrote:
Welfare_Fraud wrote:
You know what I hate about these articles, though. I hate that they always rank the Minnesota Twins as one of the worst franchises. Yeah, their owner is a royal cheapskate, and they never keep anyone once they reach free agency age, but at least they win consistently. I only wish the Pirates could suck like that. Certainly there could have been another choice for their spot (The Buffalo Bills maybe? possibly the Chicago Blackhawks?)


The Bills as one of the top 10 worst sports franchises? Not even close.



Lately? I think they are. They haven't made the playoffs in 8 years, in a league where over 1/3 of the teams make it every year. Their free agent moves make no sense, and I feel they are gearing up to move, either to Toronto or Los Angeles.


Whether or not the Pirates are the worst pro franchise, I'm not sure. There are sound arguments both ways. But I would say being a fan of the Pirates is more frustrating than being a fan of most other teams.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates ranked #1(sort of)
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MrSmiff wrote:
Welfare_Fraud wrote:
You know what I hate about these articles, though. I hate that they always rank the Minnesota Twins as one of the worst franchises. Yeah, their owner is a royal cheapskate, and they never keep anyone once they reach free agency age, but at least they win consistently. I only wish the Pirates could suck like that. Certainly there could have been another choice for their spot (The Buffalo Bills maybe? possibly the Chicago Blackhawks?)


The Bills as one of the top 10 worst sports franchises? Not even close.



Lately? I think they are. They haven't made the playoffs in 8 years, in a league where over 1/3 of the teams make it every year. Their free agent moves make no sense, and I feel they are gearing up to move, either to Toronto or Los Angeles.


Marcus Stroud, Spencer Johnson, Super Bowl Champion Kimika Mitchell, Derrick Dockery, Langston Walker.... These make perfect sense to me.

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