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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:15 pm 
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Even with a four run lead, I feel queasy about how this is going to finish up.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:20 pm 
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What the heck has got into LaRoche tonight? 3-for-4, 2 RBI. Well, now.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:20 pm 
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Top of the 6th. Bucs up 7-1. Not even Gorzelanny and the bullpen can blow this one, right?

Right? :?

It's never over until the fat lady farts.



Oh dear. I don't want to see the pictures that are going to be posted at the end of this thread...


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:30 pm 
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Bob in Boston wrote:
What the heck has got into LaRoche tonight? 3-for-4, 2 RBI. Well, now.


Sanchez 2-4 with 2 runs and a RBI as well. Oh, how I wonder about the "what if" scenarios ... :idea:

EDIT: Make that 3-5 for Freddy.

I would really be interested to dig up how many PH singles Gomez has this year.


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Good ole Osoria. Even in this game, he comes in the bottom of the 9th and can't throw strikes then gives up a HR. Oh well though, not going to let his performance ruin a great win.


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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TheShark wrote:
Bob in Boston wrote:
What the heck has got into LaRoche tonight? 3-for-4, 2 RBI. Well, now.


Sanchez 2-4 with 2 runs and a RBI as well. Oh, how I wonder about the "what if" scenarios ... :idea:

EDIT: Make that 3-5 for Freddy.

I would really be interested to dig up how many PH singles Gomez has this year.

Coming into tonight's game Gomez was 4-14 with four singles and a walk as a pinch hitter this year. So far it's been a bit of an off year for him as a pinch hitter so far, but he's doing okay.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:20 pm 
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What a nice game and satisfying win for our Buccos. Lot of good things happened tonight.
LaRoche - 3 hits, Freddy - 3 hits, Doumit-- first game back after 5-- and 3 hits (home run), Batista another home run. Some of the guys we need to get going got going at least for tonight.

19 hits tonight by everyone. Great to do that to the Yankees. I know 2 starters were out, so what?

Gorzo gets the win. He pitched poorly but got great support in the field and to his credit got the ground balls when he needed them. In just three of his 6 innings he gave up 4 hits and 5 walks-- 9 base runners in three innings and got away with most of it. Maytbe that win will turn him around??

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Great game tonight.I usually like to look at the bad points but i really don't have many tonight.The only thing i can say from this game is more a question on the whole season.Why do the pirates let osoria pitch so much that he leads the major leagues in relief innings.I don't get it.hes almost double the inning sthat Marte , Yates , Grabow , and Capps have.thats crazy to me.With those guys as the main options(not counting Burnett , Beam and guys like that.for the exception of those 2 i think Osoria should have the least amount of innings pitched.Atleast behind Marte and Yates.Grabow is the set up and i can see why he wouldnt get that many innings and Capps the closer but Osoria having more inning pitched than Marte and Yates is a joke


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Agree

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Osoria gets more innings because he is more durable, and can pitch in every mop-up or non-essential situation (which, for the Pirates, is pretty damn often). However, I do agree that Russell has used him in situations where he should not have. But I guess when Yates is your only other right handed option, its basically a coin flip. Yates will walk runs home, and Osoria will give up the homer.

Also, I would disagree that Grabow is the primary setup man. Marte is used far more (and should be) in that role than Grabow.


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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How many runs has Yates walked home this year?

I don't remember any, though he may have.

This seems a strawman arguement. He walks lots of guys, but not home as best I can tell.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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ZelieMike wrote:

This seems a strawman arguement. He walks lots of guys, but not home as best I can tell.

ZM


Not a strawman. Simply hyperbole. Sarcasm. Exaggeration.

Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


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BBF wrote:
Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


You're wrong.

Although he may walk a lot of batters, he gets the ones he needs to get out............VERY "clutch"!!!! :)


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Gorzo got away with a lot of walks last night but Bob Walk (sorry about that) always preaches about them as mortal sins which destroy pitchers. Gorzo has on many occassions also stated that walks are killers.

Since Yates walks many guys, he needs to get more control to become more valuable to the team.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Argentum wrote:

Although he may walk a lot of batters, he gets the ones he needs to get out............VERY "clutch"!!!! :)


Ha! Using that logic, Mike Williams was one of the clutchiest pitchers of all time! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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We have some pretty "dominant" stats in this category at least...Gorzo and Snell are #1 and 3 respectively in all of baseball for BBs. Andrews has got to address this with some authority.


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BBF wrote:
Not a strawman. Simply hyperbole. Sarcasm. Exaggeration.

Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


Sorry, my bad. I should have got it. Musta been the 5th scotch and soda....

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Gorzo got away with a lot of walks last night but Bob Walk (sorry about that) always preaches about them as mortal sins which destroy pitchers. Gorzo has on many occassions also stated that walks are killers.

I don't mean to take this off track, but while I totally agree that walks are terrible for pitchers, what I don't understand is why people don't turn that logic around and say that they are great for hitters. Why be so dismissive of a batter taking walks when they are clearly so harmful to pitchers?

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Willton wrote:
Why be so dismissive of a batter taking walks when they are clearly so harmful to pitchers?


Great question. I love hitters taking BBs so I'm exempt from answering, but I'll be curious to see what kind of responses you get. If any.................


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Yeah people act like hitters taking walks is a bad thing.I disagree also.
I think it good for a hitter to take a walk , but because if you come to the plate 2-2 on the night and you take a walk you still walk away 2-2 but people act like thats a bad thing.
I think going 2-2 with a walk is just as good as going 3-3 in a game.


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