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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:22 pm 
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Jeremy wrote:
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So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


Jeremy, you should know better. Those people will complain no matter what. We could sign all 50 draft picks, get Sano, sign Bonds out of retirement, etc etc. and there would STILL be someone that these people would complain we didn't sign.


I understand that. I guess I'm just dissapointed with some of the baseball IQ here since I came back. Sano might be the next big thing, but these kids explode like trick cigars almost as often as they pan out. That might an acceptable risk for a team like the Yankees or Dodgers who can go out and sign anyone they want. But it represents a huge financial risk for a team like the Bucs who would almost be counting on this kid to be the SS of the future.


But that's exactly why teams like the Pirates should be investing in the DR and the Yankees hold somewhat less interest. The Yanks don't need to take the risk when they can go out and drop $20 mil+ on a corner infielder. If the Pirates only have $4 mil, guys like Sano are risky, but the alternative is Ramon Vazquez.

Yeah, there is certainly a risk, but the payoff can be enormous. I'd rather take that risk than play it safe like Littlefield and spend the money on Randa, Gerut, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:24 pm 
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It's all about risk vs reward.

In this case, I don't see the reward as worth the considerable financial risk. But that's just MY opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:48 pm 
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The scouts disagree with you.

He projects as a Corner OF with Hanley Rameriz type talent.

You try your hardes to get that type of talent in your system.

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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:57 pm 
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My initial reaction to putting up that kind of money for a 16 year old is skepticism, but I know squat about scouting. If he's truly a "can't miss" prospect, $4 mil is a bargain.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Jeremy wrote:
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So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


Jeremy, you should know better. Those people will complain no matter what. We could sign all 50 draft picks, get Sano, sign Bonds out of retirement, etc etc. and there would STILL be someone that these people would complain we didn't sign.


I understand that. I guess I'm just dissapointed with some of the baseball IQ here since I came back. Sano might be the next big thing, but these kids explode like trick cigars almost as often as they pan out. That might an acceptable risk for a team like the Yankees or Dodgers who can go out and sign anyone they want. But it represents a huge financial risk for a team like the Bucs who would almost be counting on this kid to be the SS of the future.

Going after the sure thing was the MO of the Pirates during Littlefield's tenure. Sean Casey was a known commodity. Joe Randa was a known commodity. Matt Lawton was a known commodity. Jody Gerut was a known commodity. Matt Morris was a known commodity. These players were sure things, and they cost a considerable amount more than Sano will. Littlefield's drafting strategy was similar, prefering polish over projectability by drafting low-ceiling college players that were close to the majors over high school players that had higher ceilings but were a long way from the majors. That's not how you build a winning team on a budget.

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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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ZelieMike wrote:
The scouts disagree with you.

He projects as a Corner OF with Hanley Rameriz type talent.

You try your hardes to get that type of talent in your system.

ZM


If he was that good, there would be more than 4 or 5 teams interested.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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There were.

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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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ZelieMike wrote:
There were.

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Were as in past tense....what changed?


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Jeremy wrote:
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There were.

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Were as in past tense....what changed?


I would say his price and questions about his age.

At one point, I know the Pirates, Twins, O's, Cards, and Yanks were all chasing him.

EDIT: to add that the defection of the one Cuban player (drawing a blank on the name) diverted the attention of at least the Yanks, and the Cards bowed out after signing another Latin American prospect to a bonus in excess of $3 mil.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Jeremy wrote:
Pedro signed.


And him and his agent tried their damnest to get out of it.


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