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 Post subject: If Sano is that great
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:56 pm 
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I keep reading about how good this kid is, Miguel Sano. Scouts calling him the best Dominican player in a decade, and that he could be a big time player in MLB, maybe a superstar.

It got me wondering, if he's that good, why is it just the Pirates and 3 or 4 other teams after him? You would think that the big teams would just come in and outbid everybody. Even if it's uncertain what he is, it would be worth it for the big teams to just take a flyer and grab him.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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The current state of finances for more than a few MLB teams is that they are stretched pretty thin at the moment (see rangers, blue jays, rays, royals).

Many other teams are saving their extra budgeted dollars to pickup a player or two at the deadline to make a run (cardinals, cubs, white sox).

There are other small market teams that just do not think a large bonus like this is worth risking on a player that just turned 16 not that long ago (indians, a's, others).

The Pirates have increased their draft and prospect allotment a bit over the years, and can actually bid among the highest because they have so much more budgeted compared to many teams (we are among the top 10 I think). Simply put, we are willing to take a bigger risk now and save money later if it pans out. All those other teams are happy to use said money to buy some free agents instead.


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Pirates4real wrote:
I keep reading about how good this kid is, Miguel Sano. Scouts calling him the best Dominican player in a decade, and that he could be a big time player in MLB, maybe a superstar.

It got me wondering, if he's that good, why is it just the Pirates and 3 or 4 other teams after him? You would think that the big teams would just come in and outbid everybody. Even if it's uncertain what he is, it would be worth it for the big teams to just take a flyer and grab him.

$4M is a lot to pay for a "flyer."

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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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urbanexplorer wrote:
The current state of finances for more than a few MLB teams is that they are stretched pretty thin at the moment (see rangers, blue jays, rays, royals).

Many other teams are saving their extra budgeted dollars to pickup a player or two at the deadline to make a run (cardinals, cubs, white sox).

There are other small market teams that just do not think a large bonus like this is worth risking on a player that just turned 16 not that long ago (indians, a's, others).

The Pirates have increased their draft and prospect allotment a bit over the years, and can actually bid among the highest because they have so much more budgeted compared to many teams (we are among the top 10 I think). Simply put, we are willing to take a bigger risk now and save money later if it pans out. All those other teams are happy to use said money to buy some free agents instead.


Thanks for the info, it sort of makes sense although I still don't quite see why one of the giants (Yanks, Mets, Sox) wouldn't just put down the money anyway.

I mean hell they payed $50M just for the right to sign Dice K. The Yanks just dropped what, like $200M+ in one free agent season?


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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I also think alot of bigger name teams save up to make trades and sign free agents. The Pirates have a better chance of getting good players through the draft and other places such as the Dominican.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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According to Jorge Arangure at ESPN mag he says the Bucs are 90% certain to sign him and that MLB should finish their investigation this week. He's been really accurate about the international signings.

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BostonBuc wrote:
According to Jorge Arangure at ESPN mag he says the Bucs are 90% certain to sign him and that MLB should finish their investigation this week. He's been really accurate about the international signings.


I think it is almost a must that we sign him.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Pirates4real wrote:
urbanexplorer wrote:
The current state of finances for more than a few MLB teams is that they are stretched pretty thin at the moment (see rangers, blue jays, rays, royals).

Many other teams are saving their extra budgeted dollars to pickup a player or two at the deadline to make a run (cardinals, cubs, white sox).

There are other small market teams that just do not think a large bonus like this is worth risking on a player that just turned 16 not that long ago (indians, a's, others).

The Pirates have increased their draft and prospect allotment a bit over the years, and can actually bid among the highest because they have so much more budgeted compared to many teams (we are among the top 10 I think). Simply put, we are willing to take a bigger risk now and save money later if it pans out. All those other teams are happy to use said money to buy some free agents instead.


Thanks for the info, it sort of makes sense although I still don't quite see why one of the giants (Yanks, Mets, Sox) wouldn't just put down the money anyway.

I mean hell they payed $50M just for the right to sign Dice K. The Yanks just dropped what, like $200M+ in one free agent season?


It's possible. The Yanks had interest and the Orioles are also considering an offer. The Red Sox actually have spent a lot traditionally on these types of prospects but they are not seen in the Sano running. I'm not sure why specifically.

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Colin21 wrote:
BostonBuc wrote:
According to Jorge Arangure at ESPN mag he says the Bucs are 90% certain to sign him and that MLB should finish their investigation this week. He's been really accurate about the international signings.


I think it is almost a must that we sign him.


I know I will feel better as a fan knowing we achieved an objective.

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I don't care if they overpay, just sign him. It's risk-reward... a high price to pay for such a young guy, but it sure beats Matt Morris for 10M or Burnitz or Randa for their price tags, et al.


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Jack Round Tripper wrote:
I don't care if they overpay, just sign him. It's risk-reward... a high price to pay for such a young guy, but it sure beats Matt Morris for 10M or Burnitz or Randa for their price tags, et al.


I agree...


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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To spend 4 million on a 16 year old kid should slow down those who continually complain that the owners won't spend money. It truly is a lot for a kid who has years to go before being ML ready if he ever gets there.

But for the record, I agree we need to sign him.

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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


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Jeremy wrote:
So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


It was a step in the right direction but it doesn't complete the puzzle. This will also be another big step in the right direction.


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Colin21 wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


It was a step in the right direction but it doesn't complete the puzzle. This will also be another big step in the right direction.


I'd rather pay for talent that we are more sure of.


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Jeremy wrote:
Colin21 wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


It was a step in the right direction but it doesn't complete the puzzle. This will also be another big step in the right direction.


I'd rather pay for talent that we are more sure of.


Sure talent doesn't want to play for the Pirates. That is the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Sure talent doesn't want to play for the Pirates. That is the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: If Sano is that great
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Pedro signed.


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Jeremy wrote:
So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


Jeremy, you should know better. Those people will complain no matter what. We could sign all 50 draft picks, get Sano, sign Bonds out of retirement, etc etc. and there would STILL be someone that these people would complain we didn't sign.


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BBF wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
So signing Pedro wasn't enough to satisfy those people who were complaining?


Jeremy, you should know better. Those people will complain no matter what. We could sign all 50 draft picks, get Sano, sign Bonds out of retirement, etc etc. and there would STILL be someone that these people would complain we didn't sign.


I understand that. I guess I'm just dissapointed with some of the baseball IQ here since I came back. Sano might be the next big thing, but these kids explode like trick cigars almost as often as they pan out. That might an acceptable risk for a team like the Yankees or Dodgers who can go out and sign anyone they want. But it represents a huge financial risk for a team like the Bucs who would almost be counting on this kid to be the SS of the future.


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