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 Post subject: Re: Kovacevic v. Williams
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:25 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
What's funny to me is that no one here has answered my question -- does anyone think derivative military-style drills and "Hell Week" were good ideas?


I have no problem with it in concept. Was it done properly? We will never know because we weren't there. That said, I think Kyle Stark should be fired for incompetence...not for the team building exercises... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Kovacevic v. Williams
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:53 pm 
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
What's funny to me is that no one here has answered my question -- does anyone think derivative military-style drills and "Hell Week" were good ideas?


I have no problem with it in concept. Was it done properly? We will never know because we weren't there. That said, I think Kyle Stark should be fired for incompetence...not for the team building exercises... 8-) 8-)


I agree with AZ on having no problem on the concept. As someone who has a background in wrestling, workouts like that put you in great shape and condition, mentally and physically. Mental conditioning is a result of the physical conditioning and it builds comradery with teammates going through the same workouts.
Bucfan has a son who wrestled and pitched in high school. I'm certain that he was the most conditioned player on that team.
I think this thing is being blown up a bit too much because it seems to me that baseball players are being coddled too much nowadays. I understand why it is, and that is why I like what Mike Maddux is doing in Texas. Remember when Nolan Ryan incorporated throwing footballs as a way to strengthen his arm?

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 Post subject: Re: Kovacevic v. Williams
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:09 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
What's funny to me is that no one here has answered my question -- does anyone think derivative military-style drills and "Hell Week" were good ideas? Does anyone think it would NOT be insubordination for Huntington, Stark, and Broadway to institute similar drills in 2013?

THAT is what matters. And I for one am very glad that DK brought this to light, because it means the end of derivative military-style training drills. Which is a good thing.


Please clarify.
What "derivative" military-style drills to which are you referring? Those associated with Hell Week or those utilzed by the Navy Seals?

To answer your question directly, I see little value in waking up players to go through midnight sliding drills. I have very little problem with players running through the sand carrying telephone polls or running through a small pool of icy water. From what I have previously read of Navy Seals-like training, the players are put through a very "lite" version of what real Seals endure and that some of those exercises include carrying telephone poles, rolling large tires end-to-end and running through icy water. And . . . unless I've missed something, I have read nothing to suggest that the Navy Seals training is a closed issue. When Nutting says that he thinks that "NH has it right" and that he sees real value in learning from the Navy Seals. If Huntington or Stark hires the Navy Seals again, then no . . . despite anyone's thoughts about whether it is stupid or justified . . . I don't believe that it would be insubordination. I also don't think that it was insubordination for FC or NH to answer questions directly about the program and potential benefits . . . notwithstanding claims that it was insubordination for them to refuse to demonize it.

As for the Hoka Hey email, its corny and, IMO, ill-thought. However, its clearly metaphorical. Despite efforts to portray it as literal, Pirates management doesn't want its players to be hippies or Hell's Angels. The email is a follow up to a presentation provided to the Pirates by a motivational speaker who utilized the same metaphors. Would I get anything out of that? Probably not. However, as I wrote before, give me a week and access to any one person's email account and I could likely dig up a number of poorly drafted and embarrassing emails. Having attended a number of events in which a motivational speaker has given presentations, I think that you'd find that metaphorical speech is quite commonplace in that industry. So . . . to that extent . . . the email neither bothers me nor does it inspire me. It is what it is. An ill-thought, corny motivational email which was not intended to be consumed by the general public. Do I want Gerrit Cole to pitch like a hippie Hell's Angel? Nope. But I do want him be a free enough spirit that he can dream of being among the best in the game. I also want him to be the anti-Kip Wells and have a nasty enough attitude to pitch inside and not back down from any hitter. I repeat . . . Stark's metaphors may be poor but I get where he was going with the email.

Finally, its not about the story evolving. Its about recreating history. Kovacevic's intial outrage involved the Navy Seals program. It then grew to involve the Hoka Hey email. It then grew to involve Hell Week. Then, after many stories arose of other sports programs successfully implementing the Navy Seals' program, suddenly it was "always about" Hoka Hey and Hell Week and the Navy Seals program was not the issue. That's where my beef lies. It was not "always" about Hoka Hey and Hell Week. That's revisionist history.

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 Post subject: Re: Kovacevic v. Williams
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:09 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Sorry, val. You did answer the question. So my post should read "no one other than val" has answered the larger (and more important) question.

I believe I'm on the record multiple times as saying that nothing about this story is a big deal. That includes the training.

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