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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:11 am 
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I've always wondered that as well ryann.


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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:22 am 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
I've been calling for this ever since the Marlins fire sale began. If a package of, say, Taillon, Marte, Sands, Hanson, and Kingham could bring back Giancarlo Stanton, the Pirates should do it. Pairing him with McCutchen gives the Bucs one of the best 3-4 hitter tandems in the majors for years to come.

Might as well offer a package of batting practice balls and broken bats, because that has about the same chance of getting accepted. I don't think there is any chance the Marlins will take any package that doesn't include Cole. They probably will insist on Cole AND Taillon, plus others.

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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:43 am 
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This whole thread is an exercise in futility anyway.

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Giancarlo Stanton rumors have been circulating since November, when the Marlins traded all their other players to Toronto and Stanton tweeted, “Alright, I’m pissed off!!!” But they’d been dormant for a a few weeks before December 30th, when Marlins AGM Dan Jennings told Jim Bowden that the team was “willing to listen” to offers for Stanton. Never mind that Jennings insisted that the Marlins “are not shopping him” and are “certainly not looking to move him.” Never mind that he added that the Marlins have “never not listened to a deal on any player.” We now know for sure that the Marlins will not hang up their phones, block your number, and smash their SIM cards if you call them and say “Giancarlo Stanton,” so it’s safe to speculate. We’re guilty of speculating ourselves, though we at least attempt to be realistic about it.

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Late on Wednesday, Ken Rosenthal found a source who said that the odds of a Stanton trade are “as close to zero as they can be.” Jon Heyman found a “person familiar with marlins thinking” (“Stanton is good and our fans are fed up with us already”) who was willing to put the odds at exactly zero. But by then it was too late: Stanton had already been acquired in internet comment sections by fans of all 29 other teams. A few years ago, Matt Swartz laid out several rules for constructing plausible trade rumors in a piece at BP: salary matters, years under team control matter, quantity doesn’t make up for lack of quality, and so on. Most of the commenters who proposed packages for Stanton must have missed that article.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=19297

Reminds me of Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!"

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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:52 am 
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Willton wrote:
This whole thread is an exercise in futility anyway.

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Giancarlo Stanton rumors have been circulating since November, when the Marlins traded all their other players to Toronto and Stanton tweeted, “Alright, I’m pissed off!!!” But they’d been dormant for a a few weeks before December 30th, when Marlins AGM Dan Jennings told Jim Bowden that the team was “willing to listen” to offers for Stanton. Never mind that Jennings insisted that the Marlins “are not shopping him” and are “certainly not looking to move him.” Never mind that he added that the Marlins have “never not listened to a deal on any player.” We now know for sure that the Marlins will not hang up their phones, block your number, and smash their SIM cards if you call them and say “Giancarlo Stanton,” so it’s safe to speculate. We’re guilty of speculating ourselves, though we at least attempt to be realistic about it.

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Late on Wednesday, Ken Rosenthal found a source who said that the odds of a Stanton trade are “as close to zero as they can be.” Jon Heyman found a “person familiar with marlins thinking” (“Stanton is good and our fans are fed up with us already”) who was willing to put the odds at exactly zero. But by then it was too late: Stanton had already been acquired in internet comment sections by fans of all 29 other teams. A few years ago, Matt Swartz laid out several rules for constructing plausible trade rumors in a piece at BP: salary matters, years under team control matter, quantity doesn’t make up for lack of quality, and so on. Most of the commenters who proposed packages for Stanton must have missed that article.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=19297

Reminds me of Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!"


Are there any rules about players not reporting to Spring Training? Could he force a trade by not reporting? If so, wouldn't the asking price decrease if Stanton made it clear he wasn't playing for Miami?

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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:55 am 
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nad69dan wrote:
Willton wrote:
This whole thread is an exercise in futility anyway.

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Giancarlo Stanton rumors have been circulating since November, when the Marlins traded all their other players to Toronto and Stanton tweeted, “Alright, I’m pissed off!!!” But they’d been dormant for a a few weeks before December 30th, when Marlins AGM Dan Jennings told Jim Bowden that the team was “willing to listen” to offers for Stanton. Never mind that Jennings insisted that the Marlins “are not shopping him” and are “certainly not looking to move him.” Never mind that he added that the Marlins have “never not listened to a deal on any player.” We now know for sure that the Marlins will not hang up their phones, block your number, and smash their SIM cards if you call them and say “Giancarlo Stanton,” so it’s safe to speculate. We’re guilty of speculating ourselves, though we at least attempt to be realistic about it.

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Late on Wednesday, Ken Rosenthal found a source who said that the odds of a Stanton trade are “as close to zero as they can be.” Jon Heyman found a “person familiar with marlins thinking” (“Stanton is good and our fans are fed up with us already”) who was willing to put the odds at exactly zero. But by then it was too late: Stanton had already been acquired in internet comment sections by fans of all 29 other teams. A few years ago, Matt Swartz laid out several rules for constructing plausible trade rumors in a piece at BP: salary matters, years under team control matter, quantity doesn’t make up for lack of quality, and so on. Most of the commenters who proposed packages for Stanton must have missed that article.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=19297

Reminds me of Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!"


Are there any rules about players not reporting to Spring Training? Could he force a trade by not reporting? If so, wouldn't the asking price decrease if Stanton made it clear he wasn't playing for Miami?

I hope you're not proposing that we kidnap Giancarlo Stanton. Because that is the only reason why he would not report to Spring Training.

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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:10 pm 
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Willton wrote:
I hope you're not proposing that we kidnap Giancarlo Stanton. Because that is the only reason why he would not report to Spring Training.


No. I just wonder if he would be mad enough to not report in hope to get out of Miami after their Fire Sale...

Wilton, you are from New Jersey and everyone knows that everyone from New Jersey knows Bruce Springsteen and guys from Mob. Do you know of anyone willing to kidnap him? (I'm joking)

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 Post subject: Re: Giancarlo Stanton is Available
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nad69dan wrote:
Willton wrote:
I hope you're not proposing that we kidnap Giancarlo Stanton. Because that is the only reason why he would not report to Spring Training.


No. I just wonder if he would be mad enough to not report in hope to get out of Miami after their Fire Sale...

Wilton, you are from New Jersey and everyone knows that everyone from New Jersey knows Bruce Springsteen and guys from Mob. Do you know of anyone willing to kidnap him? (I'm joking)

No, but I'm sure I could find someone. I am a lawyer, after all.

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