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 Post subject: Gammons tweets that Hanrahan trade is finalized
PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:43 pm 
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That's all I know . . . nothing on the extra players involved.

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Its Brock Holt and Hammer for Sands, Pimental, Melancon, and ?

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Ivan DeJesus, Jr.

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Sands wRC+ in his 1/2 big league season in 2011 was 108, very similar to Gaby Sanchez. We have 6 years of control.

DeJesus is essentially Brock Holt.

Pimental is likely a MLB reliever type, but will probably get to start at AAA.

Melancon is a quality RP, FIP of 3.79, good K rate, low BB, with 93 mph heat. We have 4 years of control, closer experience.

Seems like another trade will happen with Sands/Jones/Sanchez all at 1B/RF and five more OF's in town (Cutch, Marte, Snider, Tabata, Presley).

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I would not be surprised to see Melancon become the Pirates' best reliever next year, nor would I be surprised to see him outshine Hanrahan.

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How is Melancon pronounced? Mellon-son, Mellon-CONE? Neither? :)

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Melancon makes the deal a bit more palatable. He was pretty solid in Houston and a return to the NL Central should do him good. He provides decent insurance if Grilli doesn't pan out as a closer, or wears down as he did late last season.

The Sands part of the deal doesn't make sense to me. If they are trying to win next year, and God knows what they are thinking half the time, then I would think you keep Garrett Jones and play him pretty much every day at first base. Gaby Sanchez is dead weight. Jose Tabata is dead weight. I am guessing Pressley stays as a fourth OF. But that still leaves Snider and Sands, both young players that would benefit from every day at bats. I know you should never assume, but with the Sands acquisition something tells me they are trying to move Jones. Can't see them getting a quality pitcher for him(not even close) so I'm a bit baffled by the stockpile of corner OF/1B. I guess that's what you get from the best management team in sports...keeping you guessing!!


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 Post subject: Re: Gammons tweets that Hanrahan trade is finalized
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I like this trade a lot, granted a lot will hinge on if Sands turns out to be more than an AAAA player to see if this is actually a great trade or just a pleasant surprise that the Pirates got a better return for Hanrahan than I had anticipated.

Melancon + resigning of Grilli (plus a ML-ready reliever prospect in Pimental) I'll take over Hanrahan, no real qualms whatsoever.

Holt/DeJesus Jr. swap is rather redundant, but I'd take DeJesus Jr., who appears to be better defensively. I hope this allows Jordy Mercer (a favorite of mine) to get a better look as well with Holt out of the picture.

So I suppose in conclusion, the addition of Melancon makes this a good trade in my eyes, with the caveat being Sands, who has the potential to make it a great trade, but I won't be holding my breath.


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PirateParrot wrote:
If they are trying to win next year, and God knows what they are thinking half the time, then I would think you keep Garrett Jones and play him pretty much every day at first base.


You play him at first every day if you want a first baseman who has a career OPS of .590 against LHP.

You should have seen enough Pirates baseball the last few years to know that Jones needs to platoon.


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Of the following,who has options left?
Sanchez
Presley
Marte
Tabata
Snider
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Rochester wrote:
How is Melancon pronounced? Mellon-son, Mellon-CONE? Neither? :)


[ mə-LAHN-son]

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bucco boy wrote:
Rochester wrote:
How is Melancon pronounced? Mellon-son, Mellon-CONE? Neither? :)


[ mə-LAHN-son]


So. Neither. Par for the course, and thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Gammons tweets that Hanrahan trade is finalized
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Melancon was dealing at 97 mph for the Sox in September of 2012.

Valentine said Melancon also is using his improved fastball effectively to both sides of the plate. The pitch, which has hit 97 miles per hour in recent outings, is diving through the strike zone.

http://www.boston.com/sports/2012/09/29 ... story.html


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TheShark wrote:
PirateParrot wrote:
If they are trying to win next year, and God knows what they are thinking half the time, then I would think you keep Garrett Jones and play him pretty much every day at first base.


You play him at first every day if you want a first baseman who has a career OPS of .590 against LHP.

You should have seen enough Pirates baseball the last few years to know that Jones needs to platoon.

He hit lefties well last year after never getting much chance. I can tell you this...every time there was a crucial situation and it was Jones or Gaby Sanchez I wanted Jones up regardless of what hand the pitcher was pitching with.


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Bucfan wrote:
Melancon was dealing at 97 mph for the Sox in September of 2012.

Valentine said Melancon also is using his improved fastball effectively to both sides of the plate. The pitch, which has hit 97 miles per hour in recent outings, is diving through the strike zone.

http://www.boston.com/sports/2012/09/29 ... story.html

I also read a tweet from some Boston writer who said Bobby Valentine was Melancon's biggest problem...so he's got that going for him as well.


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PirateParrot wrote:
TheShark wrote:
PirateParrot wrote:
If they are trying to win next year, and God knows what they are thinking half the time, then I would think you keep Garrett Jones and play him pretty much every day at first base.


You play him at first every day if you want a first baseman who has a career OPS of .590 against LHP.

You should have seen enough Pirates baseball the last few years to know that Jones needs to platoon.

He hit lefties well last year after never getting much chance. I can tell you this...every time there was a crucial situation and it was Jones or Gaby Sanchez I wanted Jones up regardless of what hand the pitcher was pitching with.

No, he didn't hit lefties well last year. He had an OPS of .532 against them. He had a .460 OPS against them in 2011. He had a .621 OPS against them in 2010. Predicting player performance is a tough game, dealing mostly in probabilities, but there is one baseball prediction that you can safely make: Garrett Jones will not hit lefties in 2013. Why? Because he never has.

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sisyphus wrote:
Predicting player performance is a tough game, dealing mostly in probabilities, but there is one baseball prediction that you can safely make: Garrett Jones will not hit lefties in 2013. Why? Because he never has.

That is the reason why Sanchez has value for the Pirates. His splits show the following against left-handers:

440 PA's, .291/.385/.484, OPS of .869, 15 HR's, 54 BB's, just 60 K's. That is serious offense against left-handed pitching.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... Career&t=b

And Sands has hit lefties well in his limited action thus far:

.316/.372/.532, .904 OPS, 3 HR's in 79 AB's.

Whereas last year against a left-handed starting pitcher, the Pirates were faced with the prospect of putting Jones, Alvarez, Walker, and a guy like Harrison on the field, now they can put Sanchez, Sands, Marte, et al. on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: Gammons tweets that Hanrahan trade is finalized
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sisyphus wrote:
No, he didn't hit lefties well last year. He had an OPS of .532 against them. He had a .460 OPS against them in 2011. He had a .621 OPS against them in 2010. Predicting player performance is a tough game, dealing mostly in probabilities, but there is one baseball prediction that you can safely make: Garrett Jones will not hit lefties in 2013. Why? Because he never has.

Statistically he wasn't great, although he did better when he started games against lefties. Watching his AB's against lefties last year, he looked better and more confident up until late in the year. I have to admit I thought his numbers were a bit better than that. His 2010 numbers weren't awful and then the last two years they rarely let him hit lefties. I guess my dislike of Gaby Sanchez's performance may have clouded my thinking on Jones. I still hope they keep Jones if they plan on competing next year. His overall performance was solid and unless they get real lucky with this Sands guy or pull another rabbit out of a hat somewhere they will need his production.


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