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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 pm 
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If that's all Hanrahan could bring back, I'd rather see the team keep him.

Right. Surely they can afford to pay him and then see who becomes in need of a back end arm as the season progresses. In the meantime you keep your own bullpen strong.

His value drops on opening day no matter how he does, since any player who does not spend the entire season on your roster no longer brings a compensation pick if he goes free agent at the end of the year.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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sisyphus wrote:
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If that's all Hanrahan could bring back, I'd rather see the team keep him.

Right. Surely they can afford to pay him and then see who becomes in need of a back end arm as the season progresses. In the meantime you keep your own bullpen strong.

His value drops on opening day no matter how he does, since any player who does not spend the entire season on your roster no longer brings a compensation pick if he goes free agent at the end of the year.


Do you really think that would come into play with Hanrahan? The team getting him wod have to offer him somewhere around $14 mil in order to get a pick.

I don't see the compensation pick as being part of his value.


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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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bucco boy wrote:
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If that's all Hanrahan could bring back, I'd rather see the team keep him.

Right. Surely they can afford to pay him and then see who becomes in need of a back end arm as the season progresses. In the meantime you keep your own bullpen strong.


But if he comes out of the gate and struggles, his value plummets. Something to think about.

That's my fear. Hanrahan was "effectively wild" this year, which worries me because there's a good chance he will be ineffectively wild next year.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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bucco boy wrote:
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If that's all Hanrahan could bring back, I'd rather see the team keep him.

Right. Surely they can afford to pay him and then see who becomes in need of a back end arm as the season progresses. In the meantime you keep your own bullpen strong.


But if he comes out of the gate and struggles, his value plummets. Something to think about.

Yep, I don't disagree. I just think it is worth that gamble. Right now(and maybe it will change) I just don't like the offer/talk about what we get in return for him. More value to keep him, even with the risk of him going south IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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RE: Capuano

Aside from his injury and age concerns, consider: He's expendable to the Dodgers and they're obviously willing to waste money to attain their goals. With the 1-2-3 they currently have, they would probably give him away if the opportunity arose.

As such, why would you trade something of value, both tangible (on-the-field performance) and intangible ('trade value'), for him?

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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RE: Capuano

Aside from his injury and age concerns, consider: He's expendable to the Dodgers and they're obviously willing to waste money to attain their goals. With the 1-2-3 they currently have, they would probably give him away if the opportunity arose.

As such, why would you trade something of value, both tangible (on-the-field performance) and intangible ('trade value'), for him?

Given the rumored offers for Hanrahan, I'm guessing that MLB is convinced that he isn't all that valuable.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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I'd have to think the apex of Hanrahan's value was in July of 2011.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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At this point, it's better to keep Hanrahan and hope that he pitches well in 2013, raising his value before the trade deadline. I'd rather gamble on that than trade him for rags.


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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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J_C_Steel wrote:
At this point, it's better to keep Hanrahan and hope that he pitches well in 2013, raising his value before the trade deadline. I'd rather gamble on that than trade him for rags.


I agree, they don't have to trade him for nothing. That said a quality #4 SP is not nothing, particularly with the current rotation. One year of a solid 2 WAR SP is likely to be more valuable to us than one year of Joel.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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J_C_Steel wrote:
At this point, it's better to keep Hanrahan and hope that he pitches well in 2013, raising his value before the trade deadline. I'd rather gamble on that than trade him for rags.

I've got to agree with you on that.

I don't think that teams have soured on Hanrahan as much as they've started to recognize that closers have been overvalued for quite some time now.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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That's my fear. Hanrahan was "effectively wild" this year, which worries me because there's a good chance he will be ineffectively wild next year.

I agree 100% Willton..."ineffectively wild" is what I fear Hanrahan will become if he isn't there already. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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Same here.

Last year, he started looking like he did in Washington. I was nervous every time he came in. Remember what happened to Capps when we parted with him. It was the right time to cut ties and and I fear it may be that time with Hanrahan too.


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Then again, Hanrahan's struggles may have been transient. He certainly has the stuff to dominate for years to come.

I like him fine as our closer, but if I have to choose between him and another good starter, I'll take the starter.


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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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Ralphie wrote:
Then again, Hanrahan's struggles may have been transient. He certainly has the stuff to dominate for years to come.

I like him fine as our closer, but if I have to choose between him and another good starter, I'll take the starter.

That's the problem with trading him...I don't think we are going to get a "good" pitcher in return. That's why I say keep him and hope someone comes up with a need for a back end arm at some point during the season.


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PirateParrot wrote:
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Then again, Hanrahan's struggles may have been transient. He certainly has the stuff to dominate for years to come.

I like him fine as our closer, but if I have to choose between him and another good starter, I'll take the starter.

That's the problem with trading him...I don't think we are going to get a "good" pitcher in return. That's why I say keep him and hope someone comes up with a need for a back end arm at some point during the season.


I think I'm in this camp.

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 Post subject: Re: Capuano for Hanrahan? Speculation
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Now that Anibal signed with Detroit Porcello is available. Its such a good match for us, you have to think NH is pursuing it.

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Now that Anibal signed with Detroit Porcello is available. Its such a good match for us, you have to think NH is pursuing it.


We can hope. I'd trade Hanrahan plus a sweetener to get Porcello. He was rushed to the majors and has better potential than his numbers have shown. He's also an extreme ground-ball pitcher who's had an awful defense behind him. The Pirates have a decent defense and should be able to give him better support (not better RUN support, though, obviously).


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I agree with J_C. If I was NH, i'd give up Joel and some extra for Porcello. He may not have the biggest arm out there, but he is exactly the kind of guy who would thrive at PNC Pank and in the National League.


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Jim Bowden reports we are interested in Porcello, Padres are in too.

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Ralphie wrote:
Then again, Hanrahan's struggles may have been transient. He certainly has the stuff to dominate for years to come.

I like him fine as our closer, but if I have to choose between him and another good starter, I'll take the starter.

The list of closers who were dominant over the long haul is a very, very short list.

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