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 Post subject: Re: Would You Be Interested In A 20 HR SS?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:05 pm 
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I don't mind that deal at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Would You Be Interested In A 20 HR SS?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:53 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
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I'd be happy to see the Pirates spend money. I would not be happy to see them waste money.

Russell Martin would be a huge waste of money. He won't hit worth squat at PNC, and he won't throw anyone out on the basepaths unless our pitchers start controlling the running game.

There are no FA solutions at SS or C this year. Take the money and get a pitcher. Please.


Not sure how a 2-3 WAR catcher with plus framing skills isn't worth $8 million a year. Not saying he's a must get, but the price range is fair and revenue is coming (and inflation with it). Some are saying that the cost of a win will hit $8-9 million (as opposed to $5-6 million right now). We'd be paying for 5 wins by today's prices, maybe 3 by tomorrow's.


I'm not convinced he'll remain a 2-3 WAR catcher for the next three years. His oWAR last year was 2.2, dWAR of 0.1.

I think it is very likely that his power numbers will be depressed playing in PNC compared to Yankee Stadium, and for someone who hit just barely over the Mendoza line last year, I'm not hopeful his WAR will hit 2.

And as I noted, his CS% is likely to drop precipitously next year as well since our pitching staff doesn't control the running game at all.

Finally, while I know 30 isn't old any more, catchers with hip injuries don't last forever. Not sure I want to be paying $8mil to a 33 year old backstop 3 years from now (inflation or not) when we may need the money for a final piece or two in our pennant run.
On a team with limited resources, I'd rather see money spent on the rotation, and trade for someone like Arrencibia to stick behind the plate. If Martin was coming on a one year deal with an option, eh, ok. Don't like 3 years of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Would You Be Interested In A 20 HR SS?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:22 pm 
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BBF wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
BBF wrote:
I'd be happy to see the Pirates spend money. I would not be happy to see them waste money.

Russell Martin would be a huge waste of money. He won't hit worth squat at PNC, and he won't throw anyone out on the basepaths unless our pitchers start controlling the running game.

There are no FA solutions at SS or C this year. Take the money and get a pitcher. Please.


Not sure how a 2-3 WAR catcher with plus framing skills isn't worth $8 million a year. Not saying he's a must get, but the price range is fair and revenue is coming (and inflation with it). Some are saying that the cost of a win will hit $8-9 million (as opposed to $5-6 million right now). We'd be paying for 5 wins by today's prices, maybe 3 by tomorrow's.


I'm not convinced he'll remain a 2-3 WAR catcher for the next three years. His oWAR last year was 2.2, dWAR of 0.1.

I think it is very likely that his power numbers will be depressed playing in PNC compared to Yankee Stadium, and for someone who hit just barely over the Mendoza line last year, I'm not hopeful his WAR will hit 2.

And as I noted, his CS% is likely to drop precipitously next year as well since our pitching staff doesn't control the running game at all.

Finally, while I know 30 isn't old any more, catchers with hip injuries don't last forever. Not sure I want to be paying $8mil to a 33 year old backstop 3 years from now (inflation or not) when we may need the money for a final piece or two in our pennant run.
On a team with limited resources, I'd rather see money spent on the rotation, and trade for someone like Arrencibia to stick behind the plate. If Martin was coming on a one year deal with an option, eh, ok. Don't like 3 years of him.


Oh I agree, I'd much rather see Edwin Jackson or Brandon McCarthy signed. If that is not possible, then I would be OK with Martin. I agree that Arencibia would be a cheap guy to add. I wager we could get him and a prospect for Joel.

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