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 Post subject: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:10 pm 
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But hey, at least the team still has Kyle Stark and Larry Broadway. Those guys are awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:31 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
http://triblive.com/home/2943093-74/pirates-leuzinger-joe-area-bell-greg-losing-move-superscout-system#axzz2BvFf12W6

But hey, at least the team still has Kyle Stark and Larry Broadway. Those guys are awesome.

Don't you think you're being a little dramatic here, JC?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:53 pm 
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I'm sure he can defend himself, but no I don't think he is being dramatic. I think at the very least you have to say it was a poor decision to keep these clowns, and it was handled miserably. I have made my opinion known in other threads so I won't rehash it, but I think JC has the right level of disgust for this stuff.

And I'm curious how many other teams block guys from interviewing with other teams in hopes of moving up a step in their careers. Not necessarily criticizing the Pirates for this, just wondering if that is common practice. I would think you would want guys to get opportunities for advancement, as it would cast a positive light on your organization and the job they had done for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:11 pm 
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I'm sure he can defend himself, but no I don't think he is being dramatic. I think at the very least you have to say it was a poor decision to keep these clowns, and it was handled miserably. I have made my opinion known in other threads so I won't rehash it, but I think JC has the right level of disgust for this stuff.

And I'm curious how many other teams block guys from interviewing with other teams in hopes of moving up a step in their careers. Not necessarily criticizing the Pirates for this, just wondering if that is common practice. I would think you would want guys to get opportunities for advancement, as it would cast a positive light on your organization and the job they had done for you.


And this would be the type of guy you would hope would be offered advancement. Its not uncommon to block other teams from interviewing your guys in sports. The failing here presumably would be on the level of not offering anything internally, then saying no to outside offers. It also could be a situation where the writing is on the wall regarding big changes and he didn't want to be caught up in it. Of course he was here through the DL/NH transition already.

We need some real MLB news to discuss.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:57 pm 
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Willton wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
http://triblive.com/home/2943093-74/pirates-leuzinger-joe-area-bell-greg-losing-move-superscout-system#axzz2BvFf12W6

But hey, at least the team still has Kyle Stark and Larry Broadway. Those guys are awesome.

Don't you think you're being a little dramatic here, JC?


I'm not saying the team is going to lose for 20 years in a row because of this decision, Willton. But I'm not sure how it's a good thing that a qualified individual who has found solid talent for the Pirates has left the organization, while two individuals without credentials or positive results are still in charge of player development and coaching.

Maybe it won't matter. Maybe it will. Time will tell.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:46 am 
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The bigger issue is that the guy felt that he no prospects for advancement within the organization. I don't know the guy, never heard of him before this article, but every organization has to offer chances to move up. And if those aren't forthcoming, then denying him opportunities to talk with other teams is only going to sting. I don't have a problem with us saying no to the Yankees, but we have to have something for him. We didn't, and he left. Seems like it can only be a negative for us at this point...


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:35 am 
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Am I reading the story correctly that he's been with the Pirates since 2004 and has alerted the Bucs to Tony Watson, Duke Welker and a player that every team wanted - Josh Bell?

I don't know what qualifies as a "super" scout but I'm reminded of the Matt Walbeck outrage ....

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
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Also Robbie Grossman and several other highly-regarded prospects. Given the thin list of prospects that have emerged from the draft over the past few years, losing a scout who's had success (and who the Yankees wanted to interview) doesn't seem to be a move in the right direction.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Lose Top Scout
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Also Robbie Grossman and several other highly-regarded prospects. Given the thin list of prospects that have emerged from the draft over the past few years, losing a scout who's had success (and who the Yankees wanted to interview) doesn't seem to be a move in the right direction.


Agreed, but to No.9's larger point, this isn't a very big deal. As I said before, we need real baseball news to talk about.

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Barrys Dopers wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
Also Robbie Grossman and several other highly-regarded prospects. Given the thin list of prospects that have emerged from the draft over the past few years, losing a scout who's had success (and who the Yankees wanted to interview) doesn't seem to be a move in the right direction.


Agreed, but to No.9's larger point, this isn't a very big deal. As I said before, we need real baseball news to talk about.


Here's the thing. This isn't a big deal in abstentia. But combined with the "Hoka Hey!" garbage and the two straight unprecedented collapses and the general reputation of the Pirates' front office in baseball circles, it means something. And not something good.


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But now no one remembers because the Marlins just moved to Canada. Thanks Marlins!

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